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Subject: Harness Rigging
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:47:04 -0400
From: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@concentric.net>
To: "techdiver@aquanaut.com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
OK, so I've been playing around with my beautiful new DiveRite stainless
steel backplate and Classic Wings. A friend also put a grommet in the
webbing for me and wove it for me the first time, Hogarthian style.
I had my old plastic backpack set up pretty much in the same style,
however there was an additional buckle (the way I bought it).
Of course, this is all for North East wreck diving.
I normally carry the following additional pieces of equipment:
2 x UK 1200 lights
Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)
EMT shears
Knife
Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped
around reel
Penetration reel (250')
Bug bag
Safety Sausage
DiveRite Jon line
So where should I attach all of these goodies? (I could talk about
where I have them now, but that would spoil the fun.)
I also have a DiveAlert horn, but of course that is on my BC inflater.
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Subject: RE: Harness Rigging
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:47:48 -0800
From: "Kent Lind" <klind@alaska.net>
To: "Wrolf Courtney" <wrolf@concentric.net>
Hi Wrolf:
> OK, so I've been playing around with my beautiful new DiveRite stainless
> steel backplate and Classic Wings. A friend also put a grommet in the
> webbing for me and wove it for me the first time, Hogarthian style.
Here's how I would do it:
> 2 x UK 1200 lights
Leave one of the big lights behind and get small hogarthian backup lights.
I
forget which commerically available backup light is preferred. I think the
Princeton Tech40 is the currently preferred model, available from Lloyd
Baileys
for about $20 each. Rotate your big lights on alternate dives so that you
start
each dive with fresh batteries. Mount the backup lights hogarthian style.
Put
bolt snaps on the ends and cut 1" slices of mountain bike innertube and
slide
them on the harness shoulder straps. You'll have to un-web it to do this.
Cut
2 rubber bands for each side and slide them so that you have backups in case
you
rip one on a dive or at a dive site and don't want to re-web your harness on
the
spot.
For the primary light, attach a short leash on the end of the handle, about
1.5'
or so with a bolt snap on the end of the leash and a bolt snap where the
leash
attaches to the handle of the light. Leave the leash attached to your right
chest d-ring and if you have the length correct, you'll be able to carry the
light in either hand outstretched. When the light isn't in use, clip off
the
second clip to the chest so the light is secured to the right chest d-ring.
This method is far preferred to a lanyard because you can use the light in
either hand or swith hands when you need one had for another task. Or, you
can
just let the light go to use both hands for a task and you won't lose it.
Carrying a light around my wrist drives me crazy. Obviously, a
waist-mounted
light is more preferable because you can go with a goodman handle and keep
both
hands free but I assume you aren't in the immediate market for another
light.
> Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)
Well, I put my tables in my clear light canister so I can pull my light up
and
look at them. Unless you have a big light in a clear canister, this isn't a
practical solution. I would attach a clip to the corner of the tables and
stow
them clipped off in my drysuit pocket. If you have a bellows pocket on your
drysuit, add a grommet to each side of the upper edge seam of the pocket so
that
you can stuff an item in your pocket and clip it off to the side of the
pocket.
That way when you are on a dive, you just pull the pocket open, pull the
item
out still clipped off to the pocket and then when you are sure you have the
correct item, you unclip it from the pocket. I carry safety spools in this
manner.
> EMT shears
> Knife
Put both on sheafs and put them on your left waist belt. That way you can
reach
either cutting tool with either hand. This can only be done with a small
knife.
The best knife is to get a Victoriniox paring knife, break the tip off and
file
it blunt, then get a small webbing sheaf. Total cost...$8 For the EMT
shears,
you also want a webbing sheaf. If you can't find one, just get a piece of
2"
webbing and bring it to a luggage repair shop and show them where you want
it
stitched. It will take a luggage repair shop or sail loft about 5 minutes
to
make any kind of webbing sheaf you want.
See John Breazile's page for an example of harness knife mounting
http://www.fifthd.com/gear/
Look under harness. Except that I like the sea snips sheaf that folds over
the
shears with a velcro latch for more security.
> Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped
> around reel
Hell if I know. No one uses these in Alaska. Our currents are too swift.
If
we lose the anchor, we go for floating safety stops off a reel.
> Penetration reel (250')
Clipped off to the left waist d-ring
> Bug bag
attach a bolt-snap to the handle and tie a loop of thin surgical tubing to
the
handle about 2" in diameter then roll the bug bag up from the bottom and
slip
the surgical tubing loop over the bag so that it stays rolled up. Then clip
the
bag to your left waist d-ring or rear crotch strap d-ring. I also have a
wrist
lanyard on the bug bag handle so that if I deploy it to catch king crab, it
goes
on my wrist. If I go through the dive without seeing crab, it stays rolled
up
hanging on my waist or off the back of the crotch strap.
> Safety Sausage
I keep a rolled up OMS safety sausage/SMB stuffed up in my halcyon stealth
backplate pack with a leash running out to the rear crotch strap d-ring so I
can
reach back, unclip the leash and pull it out of the backplate pocket.
If you have one of those thin plastic safety sausages that roll up into a
thin
roll, take some bike innertube rubberbands to secure the sausage to the
lower
shoulder strap so that it is under your arm. You can stash your safety
sausage
and backup light under your left armpit in this manner. Tank 0-rings make
decent bands to hold the safety sausage together so it doesn't unroll. Or
bike
innertube slices. If your savety sausage has any leash on it you can attach
a
small bolt snap to clip off to the left chest d-ring so that it rides beside
your backup light under your armpit.
> DiveRite Jon line
Clipped off to the other grommet on your drysuit pocket and stuffed into the
drysuit pocket. I keep mine coiled up in a small bundle and secured with a
bike
innertube rubberband.
In addition to what you carry, I have a small backup light canister (I
forget
the brand) that takes 4 c-cells in two stacks of 2. It is the perfect size
to
hold 2 skyblazer flares where the batteries are supposed to go since the
skyblazer flares are about the same diameter as c-cells and the length of
2.5
batteries. You have to leave the bulb and reflector out of the light. I
added a
bolt-snap to the end of the light canister and keep it clipped of inside my
drysuit pocket. If I ever need flares, I have them ready.
Also, I keep a signal mirror and dye-packs in the empty spaces between my
canister light and battery.
Regards,
Kent Lind
Juneau, Alaska
Subject: gear locations
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:54:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "J. Scott Landon (409) 886-9587" <J-Scott.Landon@usa.dupont.com>
To: WROLF@CONCENTRIC.NET
wrolf,
here is goes:
<<2 x UK 1200 lights>>
get rid of these. get a barry miller explorer light, and mount
it on your waist strap on the right side. wear a 3 c-cell light
on each side of your chest per wkpp set up.
<<Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)>>
in a utility pocket on your right leg
<<EMT shears>>
in a bellows pocket on your left leg
<<Knife>>
on your harness waist strap on the left side
<<Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and
wrapped around reel>>
mounted to the back of your doubles
<<Penetration reel (250')>>
on your crotch strap d-ring in teh back. this is a separate
d-ring from teh one you use to ride a scooter.
<<Bug bag>>
not sure. i've never seen one. i try to squish bugs or spray
them with raid ;^)
<<Safety Sausage>>
left leg in bellow pocket
<<DiveRite Jon line>>
left leg in bellows pocket
hope that helped
scott landon
wkpp
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:14:00 EDT
From: <Scaleworks@aol.com>
To: wrolf@concentric.net
Hi Wrolf,
Why do you carry a Jersey reel, and a penetration reel?
If you put the proper line on the wreck wreel, you can use it for both. Just
bring your Jersey reel in the water for special applications, like rigging a
string of heavy artifacts to send up.
The rest of the stuff, I put in my wreck bag, except for the knife. The
lights
I put on my waist strap with a tether so I can intentionally drop them and
retrieve them in 0 viz. Penetration line is good for a tether, no fancy
shock
cords and snaps and clips and shit, brass dog clips and wreck line#18.
Take care,
Kevin
Subject: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:51:09 +0200
From: <Adriaan_Haine@cem.be>
To: wrolf@concentric.net
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Wrolf,
In reply to your question regarding the rigging of your newly acquired
harness, may I recommend you take a look at the following websites. There,
you can find descriptions and pictures of gear and everything else you are
likely to need ;
http://www.crl.com/~jbentley/cave.html
http://www.infinet.com/~toddl/caverig/index.html
http://www.gas-diving.demon.co.uk/pages/misc/kit.htm
http://www.fifthd.com/gear/
http://www.wkpp.org/
Also, there is an excellent article forwarded by G. Irvine, which you will
find on the Aqaunaut site under the title 'Hogarthian Gear Rigging'.
The URL is:
http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?20277,subject
Happy reading
Adri
Subject: RE: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:16:23 -0400
From: "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2K.COM>
To: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@concentric.net>
I rig this way, up reel in back between doubled, wreck
reel on lower D-ring on right. Light clipped to right top D-ring with
my bug bag (light comes off in the water). I had pockets put on my dive
suit so the Jon line, tables and my small backup light go in there. The
left side is reserved for stage bottles. If I'm using stages I clip my
tables to the neck of the stage bottle, makes for easy reading.
Hope this helps,
Art.
P.S. I also dive in NY/NJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Wrolf Courtney
[SMTP:wrolf@concentric.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 5:47 PM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Harness Rigging
OK, so I've been playing around with my
beautiful new DiveRite stainless
steel backplate and Classic Wings. A friend
also put a grommet in the
webbing for me and wove it for me the first
time, Hogarthian style.
I had my old plastic backpack set up pretty much
in the same style,
however there was an additional buckle (the way
I bought it).
Of course, this is all for North East wreck
diving.
I normally carry the following additional pieces
of equipment:
2 x UK 1200 lights
Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate
IANTD Nitrox tables)
EMT shears
Knife
Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift
bag tied to line and wrapped
around reel
Penetration reel (250')
Bug bag
Safety Sausage
DiveRite Jon line
So where should I attach all of these goodies?
(I could talk about
where I have them now, but that would spoil the
fun.)
I also have a DiveAlert horn, but of course that
is on my BC inflater.
--
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http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/netmgmt.shtml
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Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:14:08 EDT
From: <Wahoodiver@aol.com>
To: wrolf@concentric.net
good show
steve
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:17:36 -0400
From: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@concentric.net>
To: Adriaan_Haine@cem.be
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Adriaan_Haine@cem.be wrote:
>
> Wrolf,
>
> In reply to your question regarding the rigging of your newly acquired
> harness, may I recommend you take a look at the following websites.
....snip...
Thanks Adri. These are excellent resources, I have read them
repeatedly, and I have had them listed on my website at
http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/#Hogarthian for quite a while now.
I am asking specific questions that are not answered by them. The
Hogarthian style started of for cave diving, it doesn't seem to have
been adapted fully yet for wreck diving.
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Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:23:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Todd Leonard <toddl@infinet.com>
To: wrolf@concentric.net
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Hi Wrolf. A few opinions, for whatever they're worth...
> Of course, this is all for North East wreck diving.
>
> I normally carry the following additional pieces of equipment:
>
> 2 x UK 1200 lights
These lights are not ideal. A good hip-mounted battery cannister and
Goodman handle light head will blow them out of the water any day. The
only down side is the expense -- something like $450-550 depending on
what model you buy. Advantages are superior positioning on the harness
(it really is a fundamental part of the system), ease/quality of use (the
Goodman handle can be focused well and is much easier to hold and use
than lugging 8 D-cells around in your hand). There are other niceties
like being able to free both hands for detail work by wrapping the cord
right-to-left behind the head.
Anyway, check out the lights from either Extreme Exposure or AUL.
>From what I've seen the former (www.extreme-exposure.com) is the
better of the two, but both are very good. You'll probably need
either the 6 or 14 Ah model, depending on burn times and wattage
you need for your dives. If your water is extremely cold (or if
your time is spent with gorillas or airline baggage handlers),
the Explorer Pro may offer an advantage on materials.
Even if I haven't convinced you to spend the money, please take the
time to question the need for *two* of these beasts. One primary
light and a couple good backups make more sense. Backups go on the
shoulder straps.
> Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)
If you're diving wet, just unzip your suit a little and tuck them
in. If you're diving dry, put them in a bellows pocket on the thigh.
You may be better off buying some WetNotes, and just writing down the
portion of the deco plan that will/could apply to you on any particular
dive. Cut a bailout plan (5min b.t. @ planned depth), and then +/- 10'
and +/- 10min (in 5min intervals) on either side of the planned dive.
> EMT shears
If you really need these, then perhaps put them in the same spot as
the tables/wetnotes.
> Knife
See the harness-rigging info -- it goes on the left side of the waist
strap, and is positioned in front of you (just left of the crotch strap)
so it can retain excess length from the right side of the waist strap.
> Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped
> around reel
Clip to D-ring on rear of crotch strap. BTW, I don't know specifically
what a "Jersey" reel is -- do you really need 200'? If not, take only
the length you need on the reel sized appropriately, just to be as clean
as possible.
> Penetration reel (250')
The left hip D-ring is a good spot for a compact reel that's not in use.
That's where the safety spool goes for cave. Should you have one?
> Bug bag
No idea...
> Safety Sausage
> DiveRite Jon line
Drysuit thigh pockets...
> So where should I attach all of these goodies? (I could talk about
> where I have them now, but that would spoil the fun.)
>
> I also have a DiveAlert horn, but of course that is on my BC inflater.
Land fill? ;-)
- Todd
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:14:31 -0700
From: Charlie <cagraphics@mindspring.com>
To: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@concentric.net>
At 05:47 PM 6/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
.
>So where should I attach all of these goodies? (I could talk about
>where I have them now, but that would spoil the fun.)
Hi
If you are running a continous webbing harness then you are a little
restricted to where every thing goes.
The knife and shears I wear to the LH side of waist.
The back up lights clip onto the shoulder Drings and go under the arms.
The primary light goes to the RH side of waist.
Reels: Primary Safty and Gap. LH waist Dring
Stage Bottles LH Drings. Yes it all Fits with room to spare. :)
Jersey Reel ??????????????????? Beats the heck out of me never seen one.
Flares tubes tables and etc utility pouch mounted to the back plate. lower
end
Lift Bags back plate lower end
When I am diving wet I will place tables under sleeve of suit.
Dry I dive my plan and retrieve tables from pouch only when dive plan has
become altered.
Remember the any items placed on the front of your body will create drag.
I hope this helps
Charlie
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:21:22 -0400
From: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@concentric.net>
To: Todd Leonard <toddl@infinet.com>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Thanks for all the responses so far.
I have had many excellent responses, however the Jersey reel seems to
have stumped a few people.
A Jersey reel is an approximately 3' stick, with guards and handles on
either side,
with 200'+ of 1/4" sisal wound on.
I just put a picture of one at
http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/jerseyreel.jpg.
If you cannot ascend the anchor line (e.g. because you cannot find it),
or if you are recovering
an artifact, then you send a lift bag up with the line, and then tie off
the line on the bottom.
Sisal is used because it will biodegrade within the year.
The normal rigging position is between the tanks or on the right hand
side of the right hand tank, with surgical tubing. This allows the reel
to be deployed easily, but does not allow it to be reattached if it gets
knocked loose.
Some divers have gone to using thicker nylon line on a regular reel, and
"paying for it" by clearing up
any old lines they see snagged to a wreck.
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Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:39:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jon Breazile <breazile@netcom.com>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com, wrolf@concentric.net
Wrolf wrote:
>I am asking specific questions that are not answered by them. The
>Hogarthian style started of for cave diving, it doesn't seem to have
>been adapted fully yet for wreck diving.
What's so magic about wreck diving? I dive the same rig in caves
and in wrecks. I just carry some extra stuff when I wreck dive
(like a lift bag). What's your question?
-Jon
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:02:45 +0100
From: "John Grogan" <rockport@vossnet.co.uk>
To: "Wrolf Courtney" <wrolf@concentric.net>
Hi Wrolf,
I dive hogarthian in the UK - pretty similar to NE diving, so I though I'd
share my experiences.
> 2 x UK 1200 lights
I use the canister type light, so it's configured as per WKPP. With 1 UK
light, I would clip it off on the right chest d ring. My small backup
lights then are placed as per WKPP. I'm not sure what I'd do with a second
UK as I dive on the basis that a primary failure turns the dive unless there
is sufficient ambient light to work with.
> Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)
Tables for a given dive are on a slate on my wrist, backup tables (in a
notebook) go in drysuit pocket.
> EMT shears
Go in webbing pouch just left of buckle on waist strap (where the knife
would be on WKPP harness) or in drysuit pocket.
> Knife
As above for knife.
>Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped around
reel
Not sure about this - we don't use up lines in the UK.
>Penetration reel (250')
Can go on either rear crotch d-ring or left hip d ring (depending on reel
size - bigger on crotch d ring)
> Bug bag
I assume this is a bag for your 'goodies'. I usually wrap it up and put in
drysuit pocket.
> Safety Sausage
Rolled up and attached to rear d ring on crotch strap
> DiveRite Jon line
Drysuit pocket
Hope this helps.
Regards,
John.
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:31:14 -0500
From: "Mike Wallace" <mwallace@ro.com>
To: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@concentric.net>
>
> I am asking specific questions that are not answered by them. The
> Hogarthian style started of for cave diving, it doesn't seem to have
> been adapted fully yet for wreck diving.
I dunno know about that. Todd did a pretty good job of answering your
questions in his post. I'm not a NE wreck diver either, but from a gear
riggin'
perspective, apply that to what I have read about NE wreckers, the HOG
riggin'
should apply very well in it's current incarnation. Simple and sleek, isn't
this
what we should be striving for?
Mike
>
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>
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Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:56:11 EDT
From: <Scubagator@aol.com>
To: wrolf@concentric.net
In a message dated 6/11/98 1:46:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
wrolf@concentric.net writes:
> 2 x UK 1200 lights
Why 2 1200's? Sell em and get an AUL or a Barry light...it actually is part
of the system and holds the long hose in place.
> Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)
You dive dry... Get a pocket added.
> EMT shears
Put em on the harness next to the scooter ring...or....
> Knife
See above...run em side by side, or stick the shears in your dry suit
pocket.
> Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped
> around reel
I've seen folks put em between the twins...we don't use them here in SoFl so
on your own there...
> Penetration reel (250')
Goes on your ass 1" D-ring
> Bug bag
tough one...maybe the scooter ring for now..I face the same dilemma...
> Safety Sausage
Get a small one and pocket it.
> DiveRite Jon line
Pocket
Sean
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:05:25 -0400
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@cisatlantic.com>
To: "Wrolf Courtney" <wrolf@concentric.net>
CC: "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Wrolf, at the risk of being attacked by the Jim Cobb fan club...
Here's a couple of solutions
1. Install pockets on your drysuit situated on the outside of your thighs
for your little stuff.
2. Put a D-ring on your crotch strap back by the plate for your lift bag.
I don't see much use for the massive jersey up-reel wrapped with lift
bag, I don't see them used much around here. The whole idea with those is
to have a bio-degradeable upline you could abandon on the wreck should
you not find your anchor line. But that means that the hemp rope is
biodegrading after your first dive unless you are constantly replacing it
or unrolling it and drying it out to prevent rot. Seems to me that a
regular wreck reel is a better solution unless you make loosing the
anchor line a regular thing.
And I have to admit that I have done something horribly non-hogarthian, I
attached a Dring to the very bottom of my left tank... This is not good
because it is a potential snag point, but I rationalize it by having all
by gear attached to the snap bolts by string so I can cut them away if I
have to. And it is on the front of the tank, where I can reach it with my
hands. My Dring with the pressure gauge was just getting too crowded.
One major concept is to keep the back of your tanks clear of snags and
obstructions. Jersey reels, pony bottles and other stuff located in the
unreachable area of your back could be a problem in a restriction where
even a buddy would not be able to free you. The other problem with stuff
on your back is that it screws up your hydrodynamics and you get worn out
pushing all that junk through the water.
Hope this helps-
Jim
Sender: Wrolf Courtney Date: 6/11/98 10:17 AM
>Adriaan_Haine@cem.be wrote:
>>
>> Wrolf,
>>
>> In reply to your question regarding the rigging of your newly acquired
>> harness, may I recommend you take a look at the following websites.
>....snip...
>
>Thanks Adri. These are excellent resources, I have read them
>repeatedly, and I have had them listed on my website at
>http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/#Hogarthian for quite a while now.
>
>I am asking specific questions that are not answered by them. The
>Hogarthian style started of for cave diving, it doesn't seem to have
>been adapted fully yet for wreck diving.
>
>--
>Wrolf
>
>Wrolf's Wreck: http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf
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Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:05:25 -0400
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@cisatlantic.com>
To: "Wrolf Courtney" <wrolf@concentric.net>
CC: "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Wrolf, at the risk of being attacked by the Jim Cobb fan club...
Here's a couple of solutions
1. Install pockets on your drysuit situated on the outside of your thighs
for your little stuff.
2. Put a D-ring on your crotch strap back by the plate for your lift bag.
I don't see much use for the massive jersey up-reel wrapped with lift
bag, I don't see them used much around here. The whole idea with those is
to have a bio-degradeable upline you could abandon on the wreck should
you not find your anchor line. But that means that the hemp rope is
biodegrading after your first dive unless you are constantly replacing it
or unrolling it and drying it out to prevent rot. Seems to me that a
regular wreck reel is a better solution unless you make loosing the
anchor line a regular thing.
And I have to admit that I have done something horribly non-hogarthian, I
attached a Dring to the very bottom of my left tank... This is not good
because it is a potential snag point, but I rationalize it by having all
by gear attached to the snap bolts by string so I can cut them away if I
have to. And it is on the front of the tank, where I can reach it with my
hands. My Dring with the pressure gauge was just getting too crowded.
One major concept is to keep the back of your tanks clear of snags and
obstructions. Jersey reels, pony bottles and other stuff located in the
unreachable area of your back could be a problem in a restriction where
even a buddy would not be able to free you. The other problem with stuff
on your back is that it screws up your hydrodynamics and you get worn out
pushing all that junk through the water.
Hope this helps-
Jim
Sender: Wrolf Courtney Date: 6/11/98 10:17 AM
>Adriaan_Haine@cem.be wrote:
>>
>> Wrolf,
>>
>> In reply to your question regarding the rigging of your newly acquired
>> harness, may I recommend you take a look at the following websites.
>....snip...
>
>Thanks Adri. These are excellent resources, I have read them
>repeatedly, and I have had them listed on my website at
>http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/#Hogarthian for quite a while now.
>
>I am asking specific questions that are not answered by them. The
>Hogarthian style started of for cave diving, it doesn't seem to have
>been adapted fully yet for wreck diving.
>
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Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:32:00 -0400
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@cisatlantic.com>
To: <wrolf@concentric.net>
CC: "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
I see that crazy John is selling the AUL 14's brand new for $335.
http://members.aol.com/Dvrjohn/index2.html
He must be out of control...
Jim
Sender: Todd Leonard Date: 6/11/98 11:23 AM
>These lights are not ideal. A good hip-mounted battery cannister and
>Goodman handle light head will blow them out of the water any day. The
>only down side is the expense -- something like $450-550 depending on
>what model you buy.
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Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:52:56 -0700
From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nwls.com>
To: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@concentric.net>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Wrolf - here is my suggestions (IMNSHO)
At 05:47 PM 6/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Of course, this is all for North East wreck diving.
>
>I normally carry the following additional pieces of equipment:
>
> 2 x UK 1200 lights
Get a gavin or aul light, and 1 backup barry miller backup light
primary on right waist strap, backup light on right or left shoulder strap.
> Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)
> EMT shears
Drysuit pocket
> Knife
Left waist strap
> Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped
>around reel
Garbage can (see archives), replace with small backup spool in pocket
> Penetration reel (250')
left hip d-ring
> Bug bag
Not sure of the dimensions, pocket probably otherwise rear crotch d-ring
maybe
> Safety Sausage
> DiveRite Jon line
rear crotch d-ring
>
>So where should I attach all of these goodies? (I could talk about
>where I have them now, but that would spoil the fun.)
>
>I also have a DiveAlert horn, but of course that is on my BC inflater.
POCKET! This is an additional failure point. do not attach this to your
system. If you really feel you need it, store it in your drysuit pocket,
and deploy when you need.
Also, ideally, all items in your drysuit pocket should be tied off,
although I am not currently implementing this ideal, because I haven't
thought up a good way to do it for the different items.
I dive Pacific NW, similar conditions, no lobster, no warm water in summer.
--------------------------------
Kevin Connell <kevin@nwls.com>
NW Labor Systems
http://www.nwls.com
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Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:52:56 -0700
From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nwls.com>
To: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@concentric.net>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Wrolf - here is my suggestions (IMNSHO)
At 05:47 PM 6/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Of course, this is all for North East wreck diving.
>
>I normally carry the following additional pieces of equipment:
>
> 2 x UK 1200 lights
Get a gavin or aul light, and 1 backup barry miller backup light
primary on right waist strap, backup light on right or left shoulder strap.
> Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)
> EMT shears
Drysuit pocket
> Knife
Left waist strap
> Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped
>around reel
Garbage can (see archives), replace with small backup spool in pocket
> Penetration reel (250')
left hip d-ring
> Bug bag
Not sure of the dimensions, pocket probably otherwise rear crotch d-ring
maybe
> Safety Sausage
> DiveRite Jon line
rear crotch d-ring
>
>So where should I attach all of these goodies? (I could talk about
>where I have them now, but that would spoil the fun.)
>
>I also have a DiveAlert horn, but of course that is on my BC inflater.
POCKET! This is an additional failure point. do not attach this to your
system. If you really feel you need it, store it in your drysuit pocket,
and deploy when you need.
Also, ideally, all items in your drysuit pocket should be tied off,
although I am not currently implementing this ideal, because I haven't
thought up a good way to do it for the different items.
I dive Pacific NW, similar conditions, no lobster, no warm water in summer.
--------------------------------
Kevin Connell <kevin@nwls.com>
NW Labor Systems
http://www.nwls.com
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Subject: RE: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:24:42 -0400
From: "William Allen" <william@cas-ntn.com>
To: "Wrolf Courtney" <wrolf@concentric.net>
Not to split hairs but it's a much thinner nylon line. A lot of us went to
it because it doesn't rot and break just when you need it and it's more
compact. I like to clip mine off on a d ring on my belt or tank with a
separate line attached to one end of the up line. Or us "older" less
flexible guys it let's you get it off the side of the tank easier.
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From: Wrolf Courtney [mailto:wrolf@concentric.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 12:21 PM
To: Todd Leonard
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Thanks for all the responses so far.
I have had many excellent responses, however the Jersey reel seems to
have stumped a few people.
A Jersey reel is an approximately 3' stick, with guards and handles on
either side,
with 200'+ of 1/4" sisal wound on.
I just put a picture of one at
http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/jerseyreel.jpg.
If you cannot ascend the anchor line (e.g. because you cannot find it),
or if you are recovering
an artifact, then you send a lift bag up with the line, and then tie off
the line on the bottom.
Sisal is used because it will biodegrade within the year.
The normal rigging position is between the tanks or on the right hand
side of the right hand tank, with surgical tubing. This allows the reel
to be deployed easily, but does not allow it to be reattached if it gets
knocked loose.
Some divers have gone to using thicker nylon line on a regular reel, and
"paying for it" by clearing up
any old lines they see snagged to a wreck.
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Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:10:23 EDT
From: <KybrSose@aol.com>
To: wrolf@concentric.net
In a message dated 98-06-11 01:23:52 EDT, you write:
<< 2 x UK 1200 lights
Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)
EMT shears
Knife
Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped
around reel
Penetration reel (250')
Bug bag
Safety Sausage
DiveRite Jon line
So where should I attach all of these goodies? >>
Knife on belt in front on the buckle side(left).
Tables, shears, sausage, and jon line are on doublenders cliped to line
in
side of dry suit leg pockets, along sides of thighs, underarms. Prior to
that
i had a old zeagle pouch on the left side hip behind the d ring. The leg
pockets are better.
Penetration, or main reel and bug bag, wrapped around itself and bunged
when
empty are on the left hip d ring.
I never used a jersey reel. I used to carry a small second reel ( dive
rite
blue reel) and a lift bag solely for upline on the left hip. Now I have a
brownies surf mat in its backplate keeper and a cave spool on the butt d
ring.Works just fine,even with gloves.
Any extra lift bags are now on butt ring. Usually a subsalve 200 lbr with
two
extra bungees to wrap it tight around itself.
LIghts lights lights. The uk 12s are pistol grip right? MY old uk400 i
carried on a laynard attached to a chest ring. Now I have an aul spectrum 14
for bigger dives. I dont carry it all the time. I usually have at least one
princeton tech 4 aa under one arm. Usually if im thinking dark or
penetration
i carry one under each arm to back up the aul. THe small lights are held
with
bicycle tube strips. MAybe if you used car tire strips in the same way you
could carry both twelves under each arm like back up lights. With snaps from
the bottom of the pistol grips on each chest ring. Or maybe use a laynard on
both and attach both to the scooter ring on the front of a crotch strap.
Anyways i hope this helped.
Cheers,
Al MArvelli aka KybrSose@aol.com
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:17:54 EDT
From: <RDarri@aol.com>
To: wrolf@concentric.net
In a message dated 98-06-11 01:38:12 EDT, you write:
>
> OK, so I've been playing around with my beautiful new DiveRite stainless
> steel backplate and Classic Wings. A friend also put a grommet in the
> webbing for me and wove it for me the first time, Hogarthian style.
>
> I had my old plastic backpack set up pretty much in the same style,
> however there was an additional buckle (the way I bought it).
>
> Of course, this is all for North East wreck diving.
>
> I normally carry the following additional pieces of equipment:
>
> 2 x UK 1200 lights
I would get a canister light and two backups, however if you must use the Uk
light, I would carry one and two small backups in the cave diver fasion.
> Tables (DCIEM and USN, or appropriate IANTD Nitrox tables)
Drysuit pocket. Just gotta get one.
> EMT shears
I keep shears on my left waist strap and a knife in my drysuit pocket.
> Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped
> around reel
Dunno, never use em up here. I think the nearest dumpster, but thats just
me.
> Penetration reel (250')
left wist d ring.
> Bug bag
Do you need this to wreck dive?
When I go after kings, (crab) I roll it up and attach it to my left d ring
with bolt snap. Once I have crab I usualy just carry it in my light hand.
There just dosn't seem to be a good place to stow 1 or more king crab...
When I scooter I clip it off to front crotch d ring and pass it bettween my
legs and hold it like that. Then I tow another diver who actualy catches
the
crab.
> Safety Sausage
If its a small one you can roll it around one backup light and secure it
with
rubber and stow both in the normal location. I use a long lift bag made by
OMS wich I tuck between me and the backplate. I then clip the tail off to
my
back crotch strap d ring.
> DiveRite Jon line
Drysuit pocket
> I also have a DiveAlert horn, but of course that is on my BC inflater.
I use a small whistle thats tied onto the secondary regular neck stap in the
back. I also carry a flare in a pressure tight housing in my pocket.
If you really think you need to have the air horn you should considder
keeping
it in your pocket and attaching it when you need it.
This is what I do for wreck diving here in SE Alaska.
Your actual mileage may vary...
Rob Darrington
Juneau, Ak
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:22:11 -0400
From: Art Greenberg <artg@eclipse.net>
To: Todd Leonard <toddl@infinet.com>, wrolf@concentric.net
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
At 11:23 AM 6/11/98 -0400, Todd Leonard wrote:
>> Jersey reel with 200' line, 50 lb lift bag tied to line and wrapped
>> around reel
>
>Clip to D-ring on rear of crotch strap. BTW, I don't know specifically
>what a "Jersey" reel is -- do you really need 200'? If not, take only
>the length you need on the reel sized appropriately, just to be as clean
>as possible.
It's common to see "serious" divers here in the NY/NJ area with
this device, or a variation of it. The one I use is a small spool,
about 12" long with two 3" dia. plates about 3" in from the ends. It's
wound with heavy braided nylon, mine has about 350 ft. of the
stuff. Yes, it's considered unfriendly to leave this stuff on a wreck,
and there are ways to deploy it so that the line can be recovered
in its entirety.
Wrolf said it's in case you can't find the anchor, or for use
with a lift bag to raise a heavy artifact. It's also used when
the anchor is GONE - hopefully not because the boat just ups and
leaves without you. I've been on dives where the hook came loose
(some training dives where the exercise was planned, others not),
and I consider this the primary purpose of the device. The best
place to be when the boat comes back to look for you is on the surface
near the wreck, and this is the device that makes it possible for you
to do that.
In use, it is attached to the wreck and the lift bag sent to the
surface. One then ascends on the line and stays with the lift bag,
which serves as a marker, till the boat returns. If you're using one
of the deployment methods that allows recovery of the line, you have
a double length from the bottom to the surface. Allowing for this and
for scope in a current, it's reasonable to have a length of line that is
something more than twice your planned max depth, minus any suitable
bottom relief. So mine is suitable for up to about 150ft. doubled.
Since the one I have is so small, I stow it on my left cylinder
with big rubber bands made from truck tire inner tube. It sits
about where an argon bottle might be, and occupies about the same
amount of space. This is not a device that would be put back
once deployed, so this position and attachment method work fine.
Right now I'm stowing the lift bag folded flat on the other cylinder,
but I think behind the backplate might be a better option. I'm looking
at the Halcyon pocket for that - it goes on the inside of the
backplate, out of the way.
Art Greenberg
artg@eclipse.net
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:59:43 -0700
From: "Walter Jaccard" <wjaccard@brigadoon.com>
To: "Wrolf Courtney" <wrolf@concentric.net>
Wrolf,
The jersey reel should be carried the same as a stage bottle.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@concentric.net>
To: Todd Leonard <toddl@infinet.com>
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: Harness Rigging
>Thanks for all the responses so far.
>
>I have had many excellent responses, however the Jersey reel seems to
>have stumped a few people.
>
>A Jersey reel is an approximately 3' stick, with guards and handles on
>either side,
>with 200'+ of 1/4" sisal wound on.
>
>I just put a picture of one at
>http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/jerseyreel.jpg.
>
>If you cannot ascend the anchor line (e.g. because you cannot find it),
>or if you are recovering
>an artifact, then you send a lift bag up with the line, and then tie off
>the line on the bottom.
>
>Sisal is used because it will biodegrade within the year.
>
>The normal rigging position is between the tanks or on the right hand
>side of the right hand tank, with surgical tubing. This allows the reel
>to be deployed easily, but does not allow it to be reattached if it gets
>knocked loose.
>
>Some divers have gone to using thicker nylon line on a regular reel, and
>"paying for it" by clearing up
>any old lines they see snagged to a wreck.
>
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>
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